Okay, the truth is I commented on a post over at SHTF Plan, on his post “When is it Okay to Defend Your Life and Your Family?” Intellectually you might think, any time someone I don’t want on my property is there, or anytime someone threatens my family and I. Well, according to the law in NY state, that is not so. Even when you are being threatened and broached upon by one of the most dangerous gangs in the world, MS-13, IMHO.
Now, here is the law in NY State Self Defense Law and here is the NY State Gun Law. And, to boot, there are local laws about guns in various areas of NY State that further discuss carrying, brandishing, and discharge of them which further complicates the matter.
The question is, was Grier, who was arrested for firing several rounds into the ground as warning shots justified in defending himself and his family.
Here are a couple of videos, and the stories for your perusal. My opinion is posted at the SHTF Plan blog.
Oh, and for the record, it was determined Grier owns the gun legally (not that he will get it back from police).
- http://www.wpix.com/news/wpix-man-shoots-front-lawn,0,1272919.story
- http://www.barcelonareporter.com/index.php?/news/comments/long_island_man_george_grier_arrested_for_defending_home_with_ak-47/
- http://newsone.com/nation/newsonestaff4/ny-man-arrested-for-defending-home-with-ak-47/
- http://survivorsucks.com/topic/74033
- http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2010/09/07/long-island-man-arrested-for-defending-home-with-ak-47/
- A 2008 Article about MS-13 moving into a town six miles from my house (Please never ask me why I remain armed): http://hoboken411.com/archives/11203
One Hour Documentary on MS-13 Gang
Its hard to imagine being in that situation. I think he showed great restraint actually. This is another example of a gun being used to save lives, prevent a crime, and yet who is in jail?
This makes me sick. Being a New York resident and working for a law enforcement agency I hear these stories all the time. The gun laws in this state and even worse in New York City are absurd. Whatever happened to our Constitutional rights?
I was in a situation some years ago. Not like this, not as extreme, but similar where out of the blue I was threatened and attacked. I was able to make a quick escape and the situation ended at that.
BUT…
All the while it was happening, running through my mind was the thought that if I did defend myself then *I* would most likely be arrested, charged with assualt if not attempted murder, and charged with a hate crime. It would cost me my life’s savings to defend myself in court yet my attackers would get all free legal council and support. Even if I wasn’t charged, charges dropped, or ultimately acquitted, I would *still* be sued in civil court for millions.
At the very least my name and family would have been dragged through the muck of the news by the usual aggitators and activists. I would have lost my job, my reputation, my standing in my life-long community (as well as my wife’s job, reputation etc) and probably would have had to move in public disgrace.
All for defending myself from a totally 100% unprovoked attack.
Disgusting.
Sometimes it is always better to retreat…
I totally agree about retreating.
My point was that if I was totally innocent of any wrong doing, literally just sitting there minding my own business by myself, yet if I had defended myself than *I* would have been the one destoryed in court.
ps- BTW, this sort of thing *may* start happening more and more.
If you haven’t already heard several more police forces in the country have announced layoffs and therefore response cut backs. Example, in Oakland CA the police announced they will no longer come if you call 911 for a burglery, auto theft, or vandalism.
Going to be interesting to see how the police, courts, and media handle the cases where the police by policy won’t come to the aid of citizens and people defened themselves and their property.
Anyone want to take a guess which way it will go? 🙁
The police are not duty bound to protect us anyway. I don’t think a reduction of police response to after-the-fact crimes like robbery or vandalism will make a difference in an attack like this one iota. If it made a difference, this wouldn’t have happened in the first place! 🙂